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Senior U.S. officials say they cannot yet ascribe responsibility for Friday's attack on the government building in Oslo.
"What you see is what we know," said a senior administration official, who like the others spoke on condition of anonymity.
However, they and others point to several possible connections that could lead officials to consider whether al-Qaida is behind the attacks.
- Norwegian special forces have been fighting in Afghanistan for many years and Ayman al Zawahiri, al-Qaida's new leader after the death of Osama bin Laden, has been threatening Norway since 2003, warning that its participation in the U.S.-led military campaign against radical Islam in Afghanistan would result in an attack on the Norwegian homeland. Norwegian special forces operate in central Afghanistan, near Kabul.
- On July 9, 2010, three Norwegians were indicted for planning an attack on targets in Oslo, apparently Chinese targets. Two of the three, a Uighur (Chinese Muslim) and an Uzbeki, were arrested in Norway, while a third, an Iraqi with Norwegian residence, was grabbed in Germany. The detentions were coordinated with arrest in New York of Najibulla Zazi, an Afghan-American man who wanted to blow up New York City subways. The two plots were believed to have been put together by al-Qaida’s central command in Pakistan -- Osama Bin Laden and Zawahiri.
- Last week, Mullah Krekhar, founder of Ansar al Islam (the first Iraqi group affiliated with al-Qaida), was indicted in Oslo for threatening Norwegian government officials with death if he were to be deported. Krekhar took refuge in Oslo in early part of the last decade and has been seeking asylum. In comments to various news media, he threatened attacks if he was sent abroad, mainly on opposition figures who have long called for his extradition to the U.S.
- In January 2006, the Norwegian government apologized to Muslims worldwide after the publication of 12 cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad in the Norwegian newspaper Magazinet
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When parasite governments feed off the host, sometimes the host has poison.
Do you have a disability? Learn how to speak English before you write a silly response like the one you just did.
What a stupid question for the title? Why do birds fly and fish swim? Terrrorists have only one goal which is to murder as many people as they can.If this isn`t a declaration of war against Norway and all of Europe than what is ? This is worse than London or Madrid!!If it proves to be Muslims a national security alert can justify closing all mosques at least for now which can be a springboard for violence.This is not colective punishment just common sense,If only 10% of the Norwegian Muslims are terrorists that is an enormous problem.And 10% is not unreasonble for any European country.,This will get bigger and bigger if its Muslims who did it.The 9-11 wake up call for Europe because it was at the seat of government .It would be the same for London.Paris,Berlin or any other.This is a declaration of war!! Does anyone still see it differently.And we must fight it on our terms...not theirs!!!
"Why would a terrorist want to attack Norway" is the question?
To reek Terror and because it's the newest way to get attention.
It make people change their lives and behavior forever.
Like Americans did after 9/11. It gives the terrorist a sense of Control and Power.
If you can control the way a person thinks, you never have to worry about their actions.
You will always be ahead of the situation. That is why people terrorize, America taught them it works!
Iran and a nuclear device would send a powerful message that "We arnt going to take it anymore" Who cares if Iran was involved or not, Muslims dont seem to pick and chose who they attack.
Here is an off the wall possibility concerning the attack in Norway.
Maybe the Islamic religious nutcases despise their fellow Muslims so much, they have decided to attack Western Societies at every opportunity with a hope of goading the Western Alliances into a reaction mode of such an extreme nature that millions of innocents will be slaughtered by Western weaponry.
I still maintain my belief that any example of religious extremism is little more than an excuse to persecute.
There is little doubt these two atrocities will be discovered to be the work of Muslims angry at something. You know them as the followers of the cult of the moon god, aka the religion of peace. In any event, any nation that takes in these people is in effect committing national suicide.
I am disturbed by the blanket attacks on all Muslims. There are good and bad people in all religions, groups, and cultures. To ignore this is to deny the complexity of reality.
It's time for Crusades v2.0.
Its a really sad day . I give my prayers for those who were effected, and I hope those with blinders on ,wake up and realize yes there is great Muslims but there is also many Muslims that want to kill all who our not in the Muslim faith, yes its written in a portion of the corrupt Muslim minds, Those who blame modern man our truley ignorant or half mad. I hope my country the USA wakes up from their PC ignorance, fixing our boarders, rebuilding a country that has been polarized by our Political leaders, those who divide, weaken those who believe in their country and flag.
When is the last time a jew, christian or lutheran, etc.etc......bombed or terrorized any part of the world.
I hate to break it to you, I Hate Everyone, but the Christians LOST Crusades v1.0 and were driven out of the mideast for about 500 years.
There is no proof in any way to support blaming Muslim terrorists at this point. Frankly, it's quite the knee-jerk reaction, although to be fair it's not surprising considering all of the recent atrocities perpetuated by Muslims. None the less, we cannot knee-jerk like this. To do so is ignorant.
My prayers to the families of the victims. Hope cooler heads prevail and come out with a solution to eradicate terrorists and all groups (religious or otherwise) that support their cause...
@the hunter-3785348
"When is (sic) the last time a jew, christian or lutheran, etc.etc......bombed or terrorized any part of the world"
Well, assuming the US is a Christian nation as some political groups would have us proclaim, you want state sanctioned bombings (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Somalia, etc.), organized terror cells (Klux Klux Klan, Hutaree, Army of God, Concerned Citizens, Aryan Nations, etc.), or random acts of violence from individuals (Billy Wright, Scott Roeder, Jim D. Adkisson, Clifford Peeples, (indirectly through militia groups) Timothy McVeigh, etc.)?
I can also throw in the Crusades, the slave trade, the subjugation of the Native Americans, and the Irish Civil War, if you want to get froggy.
I'm just saying before you wax all indignant about how evil those guys are and how peaceful we are in comparison KNOW YOUR HISTORY FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN first The problems with history is that victims have very long memories.
I anxiously await the day that we no longer are fighting terrorism in the middle east because it
has been turned from sand into glass and no longer fit for human habitation.
Those who feel that these idiots can be negotiated with pay no attention to how they
treat their own, let alone those they brand as "infidels".
If you aren't one of them, you are their enemy no matter how much foreign aid or
humanitarian aid is offered.
@Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23
"I can also throw in the Crusades, the slave trade, the subjugation of the Native Americans, and the Irish Civil War, if you want to get froggy."
....funny, irish civil war doesnt even fit into this arguement.
the slave trade was started by the Africans and eurpeans, but america gets the blame for it. The only thing we did wrong in that sentance is the Native american subjugation and even then, we are giving them their money back with casinos that can only be owned by and run by NATIVE AMERICANS.
and the crusades was a loss at the start because civilized people and cultures wouldnt stoop so low as the muslims did. If the world fought battles and wars like the extremists do, then life as we know it would be gone. Sorry that civilzed cultures realize when too low a blow, too cruel and too demented is a place to stop.
You will notice none of the North Sea Petroleum producers, (like Norway), are on this list, or the United States of America; Mexico; Canada; any of what used to be the USSR; or the rest of the 115 countries on planet Earth that produce petroleum.
I wonder if there is any connection between OPEC and terrorist acts?????.......nawwww!
Yeah, and we just LOOOVE what you've done with the place!
@Redskin in dallas
"....funny, irish civil war doesnt even fit into this arguement."
Oh?
"When is (sic) the last time a jew, christian or lutheran, etc.etc......bombed or terrorized any part of the world"
Sorry, try again.
"the slave trade was started by the Africans and eurpeans (sic)"
Taking humans into forced bondage still counts as an act of terrorism, even when its done in the name of the Lord.
"The only thing we did wrong in that sentance (sic) is the Native american subjugation and even then, we are giving them their money back with casinos that can only be owned by and run by NATIVE AMERICANS."
So you're saying stealing land and genocide is OK if you end up losing at their blackjack tables? So, if the Turks took over the HRE it would have been historically cool with you if they paid the Germanic peoples back with a Baccarat franchise? Nope, doesn't match up.
"and the crusades was a loss at the start because civilized people and cultures wouldnt stoop so low as the muslims did."
First off, its highly debatable who was the more "civilized" of the two parties involved in the Crusades. Europe of the Dark Ages (hence the name) was a very backwards culture in many aspects compared to others around the world. Just because Europeans of that era loved to pick fights amongst themselves, and thus advanced from the resulting technologies, dont make them more civilized.
Second, the question was "When is (sic) the last time a jew, christian or lutheran, etc.etc......bombed or terrorized any part of the world" not "When did Christians ever stoop to a level of another extremist religon in the name of evangelism". Sorry, but Jerusalem was in Muslim hands at the start of the First Crusade, and the Crusade to regain the holy land from a culture they did not agree with still counts as an act of terror.
I know how groovy it is to root for the home team, even when they're in the wrong, but objectively you have to consider all the bad things done in the name of Christ as well as all the good before shaking a dirty finger at those Muslim heathens you seem to hate so much.
BTW, I just thought of another example: the Spanish Inquisition
So now that we know it was a Norwaigan who did it some right wing crazy man, who grew up in the " Civilized world" & not the Arab Moslem hordes who have become the usual suspects, can we conclude that the writer who is a security expert & many bloggers suffer from A combination of Islamophobia & sprinkled with so much bias against the other i.e. Non europeans ( will refrain from describing what they suffer from ), but it's the same culture that produced European violence during the Crusade, Colonization, Slave Trade, obliteration of indigenous populations, the killings of 1st World War, & the second war, the Holocoust, the stupid cold war and domino theory crap, Latin America Dictatorships, come on people, stop dehumanizing the Arabs & the Moslems, take a break & take. Deep look & yourselves & what you have done to the Arabs & especially the Pelstinians,
An pology from writer expert who quickly jumped to blame the "OTHER" to stay in the comfort zone of the " Graico Roman Jewdo Christian " paranoia from its own burdain of the mass killings of the 20th century committed against each other & everybody else on this planet.
An apology iis in order from writer/expert
with love to all & wishes of peace on this planet, & dignity to all
The full story has yet to be revealed. And, no matter where they are from, a true Christian would never even consider such an act. This person is not a Christian.
F*ck the prophet Muhammad
Deport'em all!
Iran and a nuclear device would send a powerful message that "We arnt going to take it anymore" Who cares if Iran was involved or not, Muslims dont seem to pick and chose who they attack.
Lol, well thats one opinion sean.
@Sean - you inadvertently hit the nail on the head. We in the west don't understand the way that these extremists think and they do know how we think. They are counting on the fact that we won't retaliate in kind. That's all the righteous indignation that you see when civilians inadvertently are killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I am not advocating that we stoop to their level. We need to realize that they don't think the same as we do and we need to do things that they don't count on us doing.
LOL. All you morons thinking it was muslim or islamic terrorism. Think again, the nordic man, in history, has been much worse when it comes to subjugating, using, killing and stealing from everyone else of darker skin. The muslims, arabs and islamic peoples still have a whole lot of catching up to do in order to stand toe to toe with what the white man has done to darker peoples from the times of antiquity until now.
There is no reason other than the terrorists were Muslims. Western society is not safe unless there are changes within the Muslim society itself. You especially can't appease Muslims. They look at that as a sign of weakness and will never end their violence because it will only embolden them.
Why are you attacking Democrats? No one wants to appease these goddamn murders in the US. Sadly, very sadly, Scandinavian countries have taken in refugees they never should have. Most of the people in Sweden / Norway didn't want them, or at least, at a slower pace, but their self-righteous government went crazy letting hundreds of thousands in.
And this is what happens.
Scandinavia is a shining example of what's possible in terms of human achievement. Ranks at the top just about every category. But there immigration policies and cowardice/appeasement with their muslim immigrants will guarantee them decades of terror and crime.
I'm just hoping this will wake up the average person their and vote in a govt that going to crush these extremists.
They're also probably not too happy about Norway giving Obama a Nobel Peace Prize and not rescinding it as he wages wars, topples governments, and assasinates leaders.
You may want to run your theory by Bin Laden regarding how much Democrats don't care and how weak Democratic President Obama is regarding dealing with Muslims...
Rob, Obama didn't make the call to take out bin Laden, his National Security Advisor did. Obama wasn't even in the loop on that decision. That gave him plausible deniability because it is illegal for the President to use the military to assassinate foreign leaders, even if bin Laden wasn't affiliated with any particular nation.
Mr. Beast. Your statements are inaccurate. Why do you make them?
BS neighbor of the beast #3.4.. Bull friggen $hit. Tool.
Any suggestion?
So far we have been playing to their tune and dancing with it. I think we all oiled up greaseded up to go down the slippery slope of Islamization.
As the hyenna's will not change their eating habits, the uncivilized muslims, no matter where they abide, are animals and will act thusly.
Crystal I agree and just for record,,,hyena has one "n"
Erik-Minnesota
Haven't you figured it out yet? The right wing of this country has decided Democrats ARE the enemy. They will do anything they can to subjugate and destroy us. Unfortunately for the rest of the country, they have also lumped the middle-class and the elderly in with Democrats. They are also now the enemy. If you don't believe that, I suggest you consider how they want to "balance the budget". Their idea of shared sacrifice is that Democrats, the middle-class and the elderly should share the sacrifice to the exclusion of the wealthy and corporations. They can SAY anything to dispute what I'm telling you but pay attention to their actions.
When they show you who they are...believe them!
@ Ol_Doc
Haven't YOU figured it out yet? When the left stands with murderers, rapists, child molesters, when the left cow-tows, bows to and pacifies terrorists states, when the left hires, employs, supports and elects worthless criminals to office, when the left chooses to try and steal money from hard working Americans to pad the pockets of the special interests that support them, when the left lies on a daily basis to try and push this country further into oblivion you can bet your a$$ we consider you the enemy.
I bet it was a gang of 95 year old ladies. I would be shocked if it turned out to be extreme Muslim terrorists...
I find it amusing that no where in the story did it say muslims were involved, it stated a man of Norweigan decent was seen. Also it stated it smelled like 9-11.......which everyone suspects it was bombs by the U.S. Government anyways so it confirms bombs were the cause of bringing down the towers. Shame, I think in this case it has nothing to do with the muslims, just another caucasion Oklahoma bombing serial killer. Nothing to see here, move on.
To Erik from MN: That is precisely what happens when you have open borders and let huge populations of Muslims in. They have conquered civilizations (from within) this way for CENTURIES! This is nothing new, but in liberal, PC countries they welcome all; at their own peril. We need to wise up and recognize the enemy...it is a FACT that the majority of terrorist acts are commited by muslim males between the ages 18-35. It is statistical fact!! Knowing that let's prepare accordingly, but that would be logical, and that's never been an impetus to act before, regrettably.
I am continually amazed at the junky jack-rabbit responses that are posted dragging Democrat & Republican politics and hatemongering into comments regarding any subject known to man!! Barry-barry makes the most sense. And pjam09 makes the least sense. Just exactly what "war" did Obama wage? Just exactly what "leader" did Obama assassinate? bin Ladin?? He has been on the "most wanted" list for YEARS--ABOUT DAMNED TIME he was found and removed. And he was NOT a government leader, but only a spokesman for and inciter of terrorism. And just exactly what government did Obama "topple?" I think pjam forgot there was an election in 2008 and his/her mind went blank after that.
And NeighborOfTheBeast--the President had ALL to do with taking bin Laden out. He KNEW bin Ladin was located several months ago--every article points to that fact--and the fact that he said "Let's do it."!!!!! Damned good thing he did, too. Otherwise, we would look like pansies everywhere on this planet if we said "we will get him" and then we didn't!!!! Now, at least everyone knows we mean what we say.
Beast-
Your post is a bunch of lies. Obama made the final decision to "capture or kill OBL."
OBL is NOT a foreign leader because you do actually need a nation to be a foreign leader.
Hi Rob,
In my opinion, Obama deserves credit for killing Osama as much as he deserved for getting the Nobel for Peace! I guess he got that for breathing air...
As for Muslim extremists, how much more we have to do to make them not to hate us? Nobody is offended when comedians make fun of Christian, Jewish or other Gods but if you dare to say something about the Prophet well that is suddenly unacceptable! Why is that?
Barry/Gofins, just because you don't believe me doesn't make me wrong. The information in my quote is either 100% accurate, or every major news source in America is lying to you/us. The decision to take out bin Laden was not made by the president. It IS, in fact, illegal for ANYONE to order the assassination of a foreign leader. I stand by my earlier comment and can back it up with fact, not emotion. Can you do the same?
MAYBE, just maybe you should wait for all the facts to be in before placing blame...
You might end up looking like a bigoted fool...
Just a thought.
I'm sorry, but where in this entire article does it say that the U.S.' political problems have had anything to do with what happened to this country?
As far as we know, this could've been a random act of violence by a deranged man, who if you read was clearly identified as being of Nordic descent and his religious background unknown.
If anythinh, we should be helping these people to recover and prevent this.
pjam09...your statement just shows how ignorant you are. Just another hater without a clue. Norway doesn't award the Nobel prizes you ignoramus, the Nobel Committees do.
Why don't you stop hating and get educated?
Oh, I get it...too much trouble. FOOL!
LOL. All you morons thinking it was muslim or islamic terrorism. Think again, the nordic man, in history, has been much worse when it comes to subjugating, using, killing and stealing from everyone else of darker skin. The muslims, arabs and islamic peoples still have a whole lot of catching up to do in order to stand toe to toe with what the white man has done to darker peoples from the times of antiquity until now.
To (Un-)Reasonable:
While vikings from Nordic countries did terrorize portions of coastal Europe for a couple hundred years(900-1100 A.D.), they were not, by any measure, in the majority of the people who lived there. Also, they were far more likely to be traders than raiders because they weren't dumb. They knew that if you kill, maim and slaughter, you can only do that once, but if you set up trade with people, you can keep going back time after time and make more money in the long run.
I won't even attempt to justify the atrocities that Europeans visited on other people during their times of empire, but the Muslims have been slaughtering people wholesale since the 700s, and they haven't stopped yet.
If you REALLY want to be honest about who has killed, tortured and enslaved the most people throughout history, take a good long look at China.
BTW, the term "caucasian" comes from the Caucasus Mts in Russia, not from any of the nordic countries.
You Islamophobes are going to have a rough day...the suspect who has been arrested in the shooting on the island has been described as "a tall, blonde man of Norwegian appearance" by Norwegian media!
This looks more like an attack by ultra-nationalists.
Norway has a Montana too?
What you think a muslim can't have blonde hair? RACIST!
Because statistically, it is highly improbable. I'm not saying he can't be, it's just extremely unlikely. Anyway, Muslims would be unlikely to target the Social-Democratic party of Norway when there are plenty of islamophobe parties.
SuperBrain said
What you think a muslim can't have blonde hair? RACIST!
only a RACIST jumped to conclude the attacker is a muslim.
todaypost,
Just curious. What race are Muslims?
They sure as hell don't belong in the human race.
Sub-human.
They should all be sent back to Muslimistan. Then poked with a sharp stick 'til they stop breathing.
Islam is a religion, not a nationality (although they would have it be one and the same). Don't forget that former entertainer Sammy Davis, Jr., who was black, was also follower of Judaism. Religions know no racial boundaries. There are Arab Christians, too.
Mulders the bombs were at the seat of the government A car full of explosives..This was the initail attack and is typical of alquida ...Didn`t you read the story The blond bomber even if he killed more people is secondary. The bomb attack will be like 9-11 and if Muslims are behind it.. Like bombing any seat of government For their sakes it+s best that the Norwegian government closes all mosques until they get to the bottom of it.As a security measure as many terrorists attacks are hatched in mosques.Also Norwegians might just burn them down. so the Muslims might be glad for the protection.This is war.!! Does anyone see it differently. At least war on Musli m terrorism.And even if only 10% of Muslim immigrants in Europe are terrorists..not an unreasonable figure .then the horrible possibilities must be seen for what they are .If it was Chinese or Eskimos it would be the same.All Muslims must be investigated inthe name of Common Sense!
Neighbor, I bet you weren't aware that Hebrew is not a white race either and they are the Original followers of the Jewish faith.
Islamophobia was invented by Mohammed, himself. From the beginning of his quest for world-wide dominion, Mohammed and his followers have been doing their best to infect as many people as possible with this affliction through terror and bloodshed.
Muslim is not a race. It's the name for the people who adhere to the Islam Religion.
Therefore a Muslim comes in ALL Nationalities and ALL SKIN TONES...geesh!
Murderers come in all colors and nationalities too.
C.L. Mulders
Come to France and see how many blondes are Muslims.
your a racist Islam is a religion not a race , yes a tall blond terrorist associated with the mid-east, why our people so ?? out of it.
Actually, Mr. Karp, I am fully aware that the original Hebrews, who originated in the Valley of Hebron, and Jews, who came from the Roman province of Judea, were, in fact not white. What does that have to do with anything? It doesn't change my point, that point being the fact that Muslims are not a race any more than Christians, Jews, Buddists or Atheists.
Your feeble attempt to paint me as a racist won't fly.
5 deleted, gygin calling for the death all Muslims 'and anyone who doesn't like it'. Banned.
Or then again, it could've been done by Americans jealous of Norways' vastly superior standard of living!!
Superior until today I guess...
#1. I'll take my vastly inferior standard of living over their left-wing loving socialist ideals any day of the week.
#2. It's much easier to claim a high standard of living when your entire country is the size of the state of Alabama than it is when you are dealing with 300 million people in the fourth largest country on Earth.
jimbo, Norwegians don't have to put up with minorites and illegal immigrants that suckle at the government tit, as in America. We could have a better country also,if not for that fact.
Care to define the minorities you're talking about?
Dasvet, are you sure about that? My neighbor is Norwegian and has lived in the US for more than 30 years. She is married to an American, has four American kids, but still refuses to become an American citizen because she wants to be able to get her share of the Norwegian "tit" while at the same time her family is feeding off the American "tit"! There are parasites and leaches in every country and they are not necessarily minorities and illegal immigrants!
Bin Laden lives on, yep
The EEOC defines minorities essentially as any ethnicity that is not white.
"It's much easier to claim a high standard of living when your entire country is the size of the state of Alabama"
Really, moron? I guess that explains why nearly all the countries with the highest standard of living are large countries.
The US does not have the highest standard of living by a long shot.
To be a Muslim is to follow a religion not a race -
Most Muslims are peaceful, just like MOST christians are - but we have Christians that were and are terriosts as does the Islamic faith
Your ranting and raving that all things that happen in this world are done by Muslims just encourages those crazies to do even big and better things.
Try reading more and talking less
Norway may have a higher standard of living, but it doesn't have what America has: The 2nd Amendment.
Mark, Here's a little geography lesson for you: the five largest countries on Earth are 1)Russia; 2)Canada; 3)China; 4) U.S.A; 5)Brazil. All the countries with the highest standards of living are the size of individual American states, with the exception of Canada, which is second in land area to Russia. Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and Norway are all tiny compared to the U.S. Japan has nearly the same population crammed into a country the size of the state of Montana. How am I wrong??
A couple of comments.
1. I find it telling that the grand assumption is that all terrorist attacks are by Muslims. Terrorism has NO nationality. Or have you forgotten about Timothy McVey, the IRA, KKK, etc., besides I've yet to read about the motivation of the perpetrator.
2. It is so very embarrassing to read comments from Americans (usually those who have never traveled outside of the United States) that are ignorant and poorly constructed about the Norwegian social and political structure. Or how you'd rather have a lower standard of living but be able to own an inordinate number of weapons. That takes a very sick mind. For the record Norwegians like most Scandinavians have a rich culture of hunting, and many do in fact own hunting rifles and shotguns. The difference is they aren't rabid fanatics and don't act like paranoid cowboys who want to walk around the grocery store with the latest offerings from Sig Sauer.
3. People who distill every discussion foreign or domestic, from politics to sports to cooking shows to right-left, democrat-republican, conservative-liberal are the very same people who will ultimately drag this Nation to ruin. We can see the fruit of this intransigence and ultra polarity in our Congress right now.
I recall living down the street from a Mosque that was vandalized because people jumped to conclusions before realizing Timothy McVey et al. had bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma. Instead of jumping to conclusions perhaps it would be wise to wait until more information comes in to come to a more reasoned conclusion?
What do you define as a 'standard of living'? Your right to defend yourself, or being nannied and controlled by a socialized government?
Living standard means different things to different people, and for the record, I'm European. Get off your high uneducated horse.
You really should be worried about the shooting incidents committed by people who aren't allowed to legally carry a firearm, than to jump all over the rights and freedoms of good American citizens. And by that measure, the UK, for example, is worse than the US.
Sotired,
The standard of living in Norway, and many of the other Scandinavian countries (including places I've lived like Finland and Germany) are much higher than the United States. There is less obesity, less gun violence, higher quality of education that is free through university.
If you would trade all that, so that you can carry a concealed weapon on your person because of some paranoid cowboy fantasy, then you are the sick one. I will remain on my highly educated horse thank you. Quite frankly, I'm more worried about the type of person who believes a trip to the grocery store requires a Magnum with speed loads. That person is apparently ready to kill over a cantaloupe. I'm worried about the idiot who drew his concealed weapon a few months ago to shoot a dog in an off leash dog park, because he wanted to play with his dog. I'm worried about a gun-lobby that is so much more interested in allowing right-wing religious idiots access to guns than gun safety in the home that they lobbied for a law in Florida that would prevent pediatricians to ask if weapons in the home were secured.
Pull your head out of whatever hole it's been stuck in. If you need assistance a very close friend of mine is a colon and rectal surgeon who would be glad to assist you.
"And by that measure, the UK, for example, is worse than the US."
What??? Please explain this statement. There is NO comparison of anything related to gun ownership or gun violence or any violence between the UK and USA. This Wikipedia chart reveals a higher homicide rate for USA by percentage of the total population of both countries (and many others) to reveal the proportion of violent crimes in countries both by firearms and other means. Overall, including other means, UK percentage is 1.45 vs. USA at 8.55 so don't try throwing the knife thingy at us either. The fact remains that: "The level of gun ownership world-wide is directly related to murder and suicide rates and specifically to the level of death by gunfire."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence
http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm
This is no surprise that is the way the fanatic and the mullahs muslim believe in ,europe should revoke and kick
all Mullahs and fanatic muslims from the country and close all mosques because they use the mosques to brain wash
kids and to hate and to punish any one who is not muslim.
So...old and gray. Do you now advocate that Europe revoke citizenship and kick out all of the right-wing, conservative christian, anti-Islam fanatics?
Just wondering if you are consistent.
C.L. Mulders
We will have to wait and see, but perhaps it's too early to say it was an ultra-nationalist simply because he was white and tall.
Islamists would be unlikely to target Norway when they have been far more provoked by Dutch and Danish politicians, though. The far-right, on the other hand, has murdered a Norwegian P.M. before.
C.L. Mulders, you are seriously out of touch with reality. Seek help.
"... Norwegian special forces have been fighting in Afghanistan for many years and Ayman al Zawahiri, al-Qaida's new leader after the death of Osama bin Laden, has been threatening Norway since 2003 ..."
Did you read the article, C.L.?
We must never, ever imply a muslim committed the act. They have SUCH a good, peaceful track record.
Dasvet, you must mean their record must be as clean as the nordic man's record throughout history. If you ask me, they've (muslims, islamic people) still got to kill another billion people to catch up to the white mans' atrocities throughout history.
If it weren't for the white man, Africa's population would not be one million. The rest would have died of malaria, starvation, aids, and other various less serious diseases/conditions that could be treated fairly easily. And that isn't counting the millions of Africans that black tyrants are, to this day, killing. I guess the ninety percent of muslims are making the peaceful five percent look bad.
Dasvet,
Sounds like it was one of your team that committed this heinous act...
U.S. can help the ally. After 9/11, we have made the dramatic change to our security...
WOW ?
Because some god or other told a few wacko religious fanatics to bomb Oslo! Religious fanatics are so warped that they believe any and all of their warped thoughts are messages from god.
There are no indications that this was an Islamist attack other than a few teenagers on a jihad-forum claiming they did it. Mind you, they also claim to be responsible for the nuclear disaster in Fukushima.
You are right (Left) It looks like a Left Wing Eztrenist Conspiracy to me
I am wondering, does the "C.L." in your name stand for "completely left-wing"? Your tone of appeasement would do Neville Chamberlain proud. Radical Muslim groups are crawling out of the woodwork to claim responsibility for these cowardly attacks on innocent civilians. They claim to be seeking vengance for a Norwegian newspaper daring to publish the now-famous Dutch Mohammed political cartoon from years ago! Well, killing a bunch of kids at a youth camp will really show us dastardly Westerners just how wonderful the so called "religion of peace" is. I feel the need to convert right now! ...nope, it was just gas.
Robert,
Your channel post is absurd you must realize. Terrorists need no real reason to harm anyone. Their sole purpose is to cause mayhem and draw attention to their cause. Looks like the apology by the Norwegian government was highly affective. That's what I hate about appeasers. They bend over backwards to not offend any particular group and then cry like a baby when attacked anyway.
LOL. All you morons thinking it was muslim or islamic terrorism. Think again, the nordic man, in history, has been much worse when it comes to subjugating, using, killing and stealing from everyone else of darker skin. The muslims, arabs and islamic peoples still have a whole lot of catching up to do in order to stand toe to toe with what the white man has done to darker peoples from the times of antiquity until now.
Will someone please just go ahead and push the big red button that will turn the entire middle east into an uninhabitable glass parking lot for quite some time. These terrorists are just like fire ants...nuke the nest, kill the leader, problem solved.
Your reasoning demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of the situation, or of consequence. Simply dropping nuclear warheads on the middle east until it is uninhabitable will create more problems than it will fix and it will NOT wipe all Muslims from the face of the Earth, or make the remaining ones docile.
Nantucket,
Intelligent, clear, concise, without hystrionics, and well written (one of the few productive comments).
HOW Dare you post here.....:)
They were living a stone age existence before the dicovery of oil under their sand. When it runs out, they will go back to living a stone age existence. I say we speed up the process and all go buy SUVs, luxury cars, anything that uses up their oil faster. Then they can go back to stoning little girls and severing shoplifters' hands in the obscurity they enjoyed ever since Europe went through the Renaissance. Their society is hopelessly mired in the 8th century. Marginalize and ignore them.
Beasts - (good moniker for your posts)
Try posting something sensible. Your racism just screams out - just as theirs does.
Nantucket, thank you for common sense.
Lefty, please, enlighten me as to how ANY of my comments are racist in ANY way. Do you even know what the definition of racism is? Not the left-wing version, the actual dictionary definition.
LOL. All you morons thinking it was muslim or islamic terrorism. Think again, the nordic man, in history, has been much worse when it comes to subjugating, using, killing and stealing from everyone else of darker skin. The muslims, arabs and islamic peoples still have a whole lot of catching up to do in order to stand toe to toe with what the white man has done to darker peoples from the times of antiquity until now.
I am just ashamed of these comments..
Quicj run and hide. People like you should not be allowed out without notifying us in advance
I am just ashamed of these stinky muslims.
@ cl munlders , what does a shooting in the park have to do with an attack on government offices ? Are you one of these apologist wanna be's ? I would imagine so.
A shooting in the park? A concerted attack on a political youth gathering you mean! And the Norwegian police have already confirmed that the two attacks are related:
So your remarks are not just stupid and spiteful, but also incorrect. You are uninformed and bigoted.
Yeah , bigoted against A$$Kissers like you , lets hope the muslims get to you and your someday , your posts will make interesting reading then eh ?
It is/was traitorous and/or unbelievably stupd to have allowed muslims/arabs into the country. Before they do more damage, give them 48 hours to get out. That's any country.
LOL. All you morons thinking it was muslim or islamic terrorism. Think again, the nordic man, in history, has been much worse when it comes to subjugating, using, killing and stealing from everyone else of darker skin. The muslims, arabs and islamic peoples still have a whole lot of catching up to do in order to stand toe to toe with what the white man has done to darker peoples from the times of antiquity until now.
you guys are all wrong. it was Lutefisk. you guys have obviously never walked past a fish plant where they make the stuff. hint: you take dried out slabs of cod, and soak 'em in lye like you were making meth.
Oy, you nailed THAT one! My Swedish grandmother used to serve lutefisk at every occasion. Nothing will ruin your appetite faster than a piece of rotten fish next to your mashed potatoes. Yuk!!!
As long as there are people like c.l. mulders around, america is safe. We hope the radical islamist believes her. Good luck mulders.
Muslim/Islam is a religion/culture, not a race.
Science flew men to the moon.
Religion flies women and children into the side of a building.
The gene pool is need of a thorough cleaning.
Muslim/Islam is a religion, a culture- not a race.
Call it whatever you want. They are the enemy and need to be put down ASAP
Carl, ambition without knowledge is like a boat on dry land. It goes nowhere.
Yeah, and knowledge without the ambition to do something about it is worthless.
It may be the Monday after I made this post, but NeighboroftheBeast's comment tickles me so. I have to respond to it.
My dear, faceless, internet troll, did you just challenge me to use my knowledge of Islam to wipe Islam from the face of the Earth? Did you just insinuate that someone who currently knows the strengths and weaknesses of Islam use that knowledge to commit what would be the greatest atrocity in history and eliminate one and a half billion people? You who know nothing of me, oh how you stumble on to the most peculiar of things in your failed and childish attempt to come up with a witty remark. Oh troll, even if I had the military and political clout to pull it off (which thankfully I don't), I would not. That is one nugget of knowledge that I intend to be worthless, and I will not share it.
Other reasons for why Norway was attacked could be:
- We're one of the biggest contributors in the Libya campaign
- We have been involved in Afghanistan since 2001, and we still are. Not just special forces. We are responsible for several provinces in RC-North.
- We've been involved in Iraq and Kosovo.
The Muhammed cartoons have also been published by Norwegian newspapers.
Or just that they don't like your secular society and freedom....eventhough we have been told repeatedly by our American MSM that it is because we are occupying their lands.
Still, those terrorists just f***ed with Vikings! Not smart.
Norwegian special forces=Viking berserks.
It can be anyone associated with the Muslim religon, I am sure George Bush is responsible. Don't you know, he caused 9/11 and the current state of our economy. You Norwegians need to find a savior like Barack Obama.
Norwegian special forces=Viking berserks.
Thor + Mjölnir = F.U.B.A.R.
Damn, I just love the Norwegians! Unfortunately, I'd probably would not be allowed after what happened today since I'm Arab and Muslim. Aw, the sadness. God bless the dead, whatever religion you believe in!
LOL. All you morons thinking it was muslim or islamic terrorism. Think again, the nordic man, in history, has been much worse when it comes to subjugating, using, killing and stealing from everyone else of darker skin. The muslims, arabs and islamic peoples still have a whole lot of catching up to do in order to stand toe to toe with what the white man has done to darker peoples from the times of antiquity until now.
If not for the white man, the dark skinned ones would never know about toilet paper. Wait, they still use their hands......never mind, Cloudy. My bad!
just the idea that someone would threaten to kill someone if they were deported is enough reason to deport them.
thats as stupid as the filipino police captain that took the tourist bus hostage to get his job back.
why do so many people have absolutely no sense or the ability to use their brain to think logically?
islam does not think logically.
NO religion thinks logically. I have yet to find a religion that holds the 9th Commandment as a virtue they aspire to but rather us it as a toilet paper.
they are not vulcans!
True, that. No religion follows logic. That's why it's called "faith" not "fact". I am a Christian and I can't explain WHY I believe the way I do. I just do. Faith means believing in something that can't be proven.
I have faith that millions of muslims wish all the rest of the world were dead. Hold on, that isn't "faith", it is a proven fact.
kind of ironic. Norway home of the nobel peace prize. Looks like the radical islamist is declaring war with the peaceniks. lol. This should be interesting.
MAYBE, just maybe you should wait for all the facts to be in before placing blame...
You might end up looking like a bigoted fool...
Just a thought.
mmac- that's a good observation
LOL. All you morons thinking it was muslim or islamic terrorism. Think again, the nordic man, in history, has been much worse when it comes to subjugating, using, killing and stealing from everyone else of darker skin. The muslims, arabs and islamic peoples still have a whole lot of catching up to do in order to stand toe to toe with what the white man has done to darker peoples from the times of antiquity until now.
Why would terrorist attack Norway? Du!!!---They are terrorists you fools. Watch the Hollywood Libs change their toon if God forbid anything ever happens there.
Children can we say "false flag"?
rand,
" Watch the Hollywood Libs change their toon"......which toon would that be Roger Rabbit or Looney?
can't we all just get along
No, we can't. The natural state of mankind is warfare. Homo Sapiens as a species is tribal and xenophobic by nature. In all of recorded human history, there are less than 100 years in which a major war or genocidal action was not taking place somewhere on the globe.